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small motors or linear actuators Mike 02-20-2007
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Posted by Mike on February 20, 2007, 11:34 am
Hi - I've been working on a 6 legged robot for almost two years now.
Currently I'm using Hitec HS-81MG servos. I guess I'm not entirely
pleased with them - and I would like to pursue other alternatives.
Right now I have them acting as the joints for the legs, which I would
not recommend doing as I later found out they don't have any bearings
(!?!!@%@!).

Anyways - I want to replace them with something more solid, that gives
me more control over movement, and ideally something with the same or
more torque. I don't care about speed - they're wayyy faster than what
I need. So - does anybody know of any very small linear actuators or
motors that would have enough torque for this application? (or motors
+ gearboxes)

Thanks!

-Mike


Posted by Padu on February 20, 2007, 12:27 pm

"Mike"
> Hi - I've been working on a 6 legged robot for almost two years now.
> Currently I'm using Hitec HS-81MG servos. I guess I'm not entirely
> pleased with them - and I would like to pursue other alternatives.
> Right now I have them acting as the joints for the legs, which I would
> not recommend doing as I later found out they don't have any bearings
> (!?!!@%@!).
> Anyways - I want to replace them with something more solid, that gives
> me more control over movement, and ideally something with the same or
> more torque. I don't care about speed - they're wayyy faster than what
> I need. So - does anybody know of any very small linear actuators or
> motors that would have enough torque for this application? (or motors
> + gearboxes)
> Thanks!
> -Mike


There were a couple of other posts on linear actuators this week, take a
look because there are some very nice replies.

Recently I've bought a couple of linear actuators for my project from
Firgelli Auto, but these are too much for your application (30 pounds of
force). They have an affiliated company (firgelly) that is just starting to
commercialize micro linear actuators, and they claim that one of the
applications is for robotic legs (small robots). Search google for firgelly
micro (or mini) linear actuator.

Cheers

Padu



Posted by Mike on February 20, 2007, 1:05 pm
> "Mike"
> > Hi - I've been working on a 6 legged robot for almost two years now.
> > Currently I'm using Hitec HS-81MG servos. I guess I'm not entirely
> > pleased with them - and I would like to pursue other alternatives.
> > Right now I have them acting as the joints for the legs, which I would
> > not recommend doing as I later found out they don't have any bearings
> > (!?!!@%@!).
> > Anyways - I want to replace them with something more solid, that gives
> > me more control over movement, and ideally something with the same or
> > more torque. I don't care about speed - they're wayyy faster than what
> > I need. So - does anybody know of any very small linear actuators or
> > motors that would have enough torque for this application? (or motors
> > + gearboxes)
> > Thanks!
> > -Mike
> There were a couple of other posts on linear actuators this week, take a
> look because there are some very nice replies.
> Recently I've bought a couple of linear actuators for my project from
> Firgelli Auto, but these are too much for your application (30 pounds of
> force). They have an affiliated company (firgelly) that is just starting to
> commercialize micro linear actuators, and they claim that one of the
> applications is for robotic legs (small robots). Search google for firgelly
> micro (or mini) linear actuator.
> Cheers
> Padu

Hi - I saw those discussions, but unless I missed something, they were
all about much larger devices. I'm looking for small! Each leg segment
on my robot is only 6cm long - so the smaller the better!!

I just took a look at the Firgelli ones - and they don't seem like a
very good fit for me. Specifically, their force is a little low (18N
max) and their stroke is incredibly small (2cm). Maybe if they had a
larger stroke I could compensate for their low force with leverage -
but geeze - 2cm isn't alot to work with.

Squiggle motors seem possible as well (http://www.newscaletech.com/
squiggle_overview.html) - but they suffer from having even less torque
than the Firgelli ones. I also have no idea what the pricing on those
buggers is, and calls and voice mails to them have gone completely
unanswered.

-Mike


Posted by Michael on February 20, 2007, 3:24 pm

>> "Mike"
>> > Hi - I've been working on a 6 legged robot for almost two years now.
>> > Currently I'm using Hitec HS-81MG servos. I guess I'm not entirely
>> > pleased with them - and I would like to pursue other alternatives.
>> > Right now I have them acting as the joints for the legs, which I would
>> > not recommend doing as I later found out they don't have any bearings
>> > (!?!!@%@!).
>> > Anyways - I want to replace them with something more solid, that gives
>> > me more control over movement, and ideally something with the same or
>> > more torque. I don't care about speed - they're wayyy faster than what
>> > I need. So - does anybody know of any very small linear actuators or
>> > motors that would have enough torque for this application? (or motors
>> > + gearboxes)
>> > Thanks!
>> > -Mike
>> There were a couple of other posts on linear actuators this week, take a
>> look because there are some very nice replies.
>> Recently I've bought a couple of linear actuators for my project from
>> Firgelli Auto, but these are too much for your application (30 pounds of
>> force). They have an affiliated company (firgelly) that is just starting
>> to
>> commercialize micro linear actuators, and they claim that one of the
>> applications is for robotic legs (small robots). Search google for
>> firgelly
>> micro (or mini) linear actuator.
>> Cheers
>> Padu
> Hi - I saw those discussions, but unless I missed something, they were
> all about much larger devices. I'm looking for small! Each leg segment
> on my robot is only 6cm long - so the smaller the better!!
> I just took a look at the Firgelli ones - and they don't seem like a
> very good fit for me. Specifically, their force is a little low (18N
> max) and their stroke is incredibly small (2cm). Maybe if they had a
> larger stroke I could compensate for their low force with leverage -
> but geeze - 2cm isn't alot to work with.
> Squiggle motors seem possible as well (http://www.newscaletech.com/
> squiggle_overview.html) - but they suffer from having even less torque
> than the Firgelli ones. I also have no idea what the pricing on those
> buggers is, and calls and voice mails to them have gone completely
> unanswered.
> -Mike

How about something like this?:
http://www.mutr.co.uk/prodDetail.aspx?prodID —5

Michael



Posted by Mike on February 23, 2007, 2:18 pm
> Hi - I saw those discussions, but unless I missed something, they were
> all about much larger devices. I'm looking for small! Each leg segment
> on my robot is only 6cm long - so the smaller the better!!
> I just took a look at the Firgelli ones - and they don't seem like a
> very good fit for me. Specifically, their force is a little low (18N
> max) and their stroke is incredibly small (2cm). Maybe if they had a
> larger stroke I could compensate for their low force with leverage -
> but geeze - 2cm isn't alot to work with.
> Squiggle motors seem possible as well (http://www.newscaletech.com/
> squiggle_overview.html) - but they suffer from having even less torque
> than the Firgelli ones. I also have no idea what the pricing on those
> buggers is, and calls and voice mails to them have gone completely
> unanswered.
> -Mike

Just to follow up on my own post - I finally got ahold of soembody
about Squiggle motors. Those things run about $600 each!!! That ain't
gonna happen.

-Mike


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