noise in plastic gears

Posted by Kevin Gomez on January 10, 2007, 4:33 pm

Can anyone recommend a good way to reduce noise from small plastic injection
molded gears without significantly decreasing efficiency (or better yet,
increasing efficiency - since less energy converted to noise)? - without
re-designing the gears. The motor is a miniature pager type and the The
gears are similar to the ones in the link.

http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/productDetails.cfm?ProdID 357&catID005

Thank you.
Kevin

Posted by Gordon McComb on January 10, 2007, 6:35 pm

Kevin Gomez wrote:

>
> Can anyone recommend a good way to reduce noise from small plastic injection
> molded gears without significantly decreasing efficiency (or better yet,
> increasing efficiency - since less energy converted to noise)? - without
> re-designing the gears. The motor is a miniature pager type and the The
> gears are similar to the ones in the link.
>
> http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/productDetails.cfm?ProdID 357&catID005

I imagine most of the noise is from imprecise manufacturing tolerances,
common in molded vs. machined parts, so unless you pick some that have a
better fit, your choices are fairly limited to:

1. Carefully filing or shaping the gears to provide a better fit.
2. Adding oil or other lubricant (which can increase resistance and
therefore may lower efficiency, not to mention more mess).

Noise is inherent in any gear. Metal gears may be "quieter" because the
mass of the metal may tend to dampen the sound, but they may be no more
efficient, all other things being equal.

As gears differ as to pressure angle, face width, etc. gears of the same
pitch may not necessarily be good matches if you're concerned about
maximum efficiency and other factors. For higher end applications
pairing gears together is more involved.

-- Gordon

Posted by Wayne Lundberg on January 10, 2007, 8:24 pm

> Can anyone recommend a good way to reduce noise from small plastic

injection

> molded gears without significantly decreasing efficiency (or better yet,
> increasing efficiency - since less energy converted to noise)? - without
> re-designing the gears. The motor is a miniature pager type and the The
> gears are similar to the ones in the link.
> http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/productDetails.cfm?ProdID 357&catID005
> Thank you.
> Kevin

My experience in working with hundreds of gearboxes over the years, is that
nothing can be done to reduce your existing noise after you have set spaced
them correctly. You might try carbon paper interface to see where the high
spots are on each gear but that takes a lot of effort. You may be better off
just going to belt drives which are really quiet. Take a look inside any
cheap Chinese VCR rewinder for examples. You might also just get some
surplus rewinders and redo your device with belt drives. They are quiet. And
slip instead of break when overloaded.

Wayne

Posted by steamer on January 11, 2007, 1:21 pm

--Try a light oil..

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Posted by Kevin Gomez on January 11, 2007, 8:13 pm

Thank you for the thoughtful responses.

I thought of belt drive, but it's really difficult at these dimensions. The
tiny motor does not have ball-bearings (maybe sintered ones) and I believe
any tension on the belt will result in significant friction on the motor
shaft.

Well....I did confirm Gordon's suspicion that there were at least 3
components to the noise. One was once-per-rev (of the output gear), another
was a buzzing noise at certain speeds and lastly the teeth noise. As
advised, I examined the gears under a microscope and used an x-acto knife
to remove what seemed like molding defects in the pits of some teeth (more
on one side of the gear than the other). This cured the once-per-rev noise.
I added some lithium grease to the plastic bearings on the output shaft and
this cured the buzzing noise (resonance - shaft/bearing assembly..?). Now,
the predominant noise is the high-pitched teeth noise. There is already
very little (subjective..) back-lash between the pinion and output gears.

Any other ideas?

Thanks again,

Kevin

> Can anyone recommend a good way to reduce noise from small plastic
> injection molded gears without significantly decreasing efficiency (or
> better yet, increasing efficiency - since less energy converted to
> noise)? - without re-designing the gears. The motor is a miniature pager
> type and the The gears are similar to the ones in the link.
> http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/productDetails.cfm?ProdID 357&catID005
> Thank you.
> Kevin
>

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