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Posted by Albert van der Horst on August 19, 2010, 7:23 am
>Tues.17.AUG.2010 -- Using Gender to Trigger Who-Queries
>Today we would like to see if the AI
>can ask a who-query rather than a default
>what-query, if the gender of a noun in
>question is known to be masculine or
>feminine. In English, as opposed to
>German or Russian, a non-neuter gender
>indicates that an entity is a "who"
>and not simply a "what".
Huh?
>When we rename 11aug10A.F as 17aug10A.F
>and run the Forthmind, entering just the
>word "god" causes the following exchange.
>Robot: GOD WHAT IS GOD GOD
>Human:
>Next in the AskUser module we insert a
>diagnostic message to reveal any value
>held in the "mfn" gender variable.
I could more or less agree that processing
natural language well means intelligence. (Hofstaedter).
An acquaintance of mine, a linguist, had some ideas and
has had help of a programmer in Java. I've seen a demonstration
of his analysis of a small story, and it really is able to
identify objects in the story. (Really identify in the sense
that the ``her'' on the last line, is arguably related to ``girl''
in the first line.) It has some inroads to understanding where
a new topic starts, and even where an old topic is picked up.
This may be world class, state of the art research etc. but your
attempts are so pathetic compared to this.
The difference is probably that he doesn't refuse to stand on
the shoulders of giants.
Groetjes Albert
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Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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Posted by Ian Parker on August 26, 2010, 9:01 am
wrote:
> >Tues.17.AUG.2010 -- Using Gender to Trigger Who-Queries
> >Today we would like to see if the AI
> >can ask a who-query rather than a default
> >what-query, if the gender of a noun in
> >question is known to be masculine or
> >feminine. In English, as opposed to
> >German or Russian, a non-neuter gender
> >indicates that an entity is a "who"
> >and not simply a "what".
> Huh?
> >When we rename 11aug10A.F as 17aug10A.F
> >and run the Forthmind, entering just the
> >word "god" causes the following exchange.
> >Robot: GOD WHAT IS GOD GOD
> >Human:
> >Next in the AskUser module we insert a
> >diagnostic message to reveal any value
> >held in the "mfn" gender variable.
> I could more or less agree that processing
> natural language well means intelligence. (Hofstaedter).
> An acquaintance of mine, a linguist, had some ideas and
> has had help of a programmer in Java. I've seen a demonstration
> of his analysis of a small story, and it really is able to
> identify objects in the story. (Really identify in the sense
> that the ``her'' on the last line, is arguably related to ``girl''
> in the first line.) It has some inroads to understanding where
> a new topic starts, and even where an old topic is picked up.
> This may be world class, state of the art research etc. but your
> attempts are so pathetic compared to this.
> The difference is probably that he doesn't refuse to stand on
> the shoulders of giants.
> Groetjes Albert
> --
> --
> Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
> Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
> albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=nhttp://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
I there a published version of the program which recognises that "her"
refers to the girl. I have though of ways of tagging pronouns and
finding out what their noun is. One method is to work backwards and
find the first noun which agrees in number and gender. I think
something more sophisticated must be hapenning.
- Ian Parker
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Posted by David Mitchell on August 27, 2010, 2:08 am
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:01:43 -0700, Ian Parker wrote:
> I there a published version of the program which recognises that "her"
> refers to the girl. I have though of ways of tagging pronouns and
> finding out what their noun is. One method is to work backwards and find
> the first noun which agrees in number and gender. I think something more
> sophisticated must be hapenning.
Unlikely: "Mentifex" is a well known crackpot.
His "achievements", such as they are, are approximately equivalent to the
level of Terry Winograd's "shrldu", (written something like thirty years
ago); but he posts each minor change as though it were the birth of
Skynet, and never responds to other posts.
In other works, he's a crackpot and a troll: ignore him.
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= David --- If you use Microsoft products, you will, inevitably, get
= Mitchell --- viruses, so please don't add me to your address book.
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Posted by Albert van der Horst on August 27, 2010, 4:34 pm
>On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:01:43 -0700, Ian Parker wrote:
>> I there a published version of the program which recognises that "her"
>> refers to the girl. I have though of ways of tagging pronouns and
>> finding out what their noun is. One method is to work backwards and find
>> the first noun which agrees in number and gender. I think something more
>> sophisticated must be hapenning.
>Unlikely: "Mentifex" is a well known crackpot.
>His "achievements", such as they are, are approximately equivalent to the
>level of Terry Winograd's "shrldu", (written something like thirty years
>ago); but he posts each minor change as though it were the birth of
>Skynet, and never responds to other posts.
Wrong on two accounts. The above quote of Ian is not about
Mendifex, it was about a program I have seen working.
Secondly,
Terry Winograd shrldu stands as one of the great achievements in
AI, and ...
>In other works, he's a crackpot and a troll: ignore him.
Fully agree, but you realise what an insult that is to Winograd?
>--
>= David --- If you use Microsoft products, you will, inevitably, get
>= Mitchell --- viruses, so please don't add me to your address book.
Groetjes Albert
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Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst
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Posted by Aleksej Saushev on August 28, 2010, 8:35 am
>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:01:43 -0700, Ian Parker wrote:
>>> I there a published version of the program which recognises that "her"
>>> refers to the girl. I have though of ways of tagging pronouns and
>>> finding out what their noun is. One method is to work backwards and find
>>> the first noun which agrees in number and gender. I think something more
>>> sophisticated must be hapenning.
>>Unlikely: "Mentifex" is a well known crackpot.
>>His "achievements", such as they are, are approximately equivalent to the
>>level of Terry Winograd's "shrldu", (written something like thirty years
>>ago); but he posts each minor change as though it were the birth of
>>Skynet, and never responds to other posts.
> Wrong on two accounts. The above quote of Ian is not about
> Mendifex, it was about a program I have seen working.
> Secondly,
> Terry Winograd shrldu stands as one of the great achievements in
> AI, and ...
>>In other works, he's a crackpot and a troll: ignore him.
> Fully agree, but you realise what an insult that is to Winograd?
Why? Winograd wrote his SHRDLU more than 40 (not 30 as stated above)
years ago when it was a breakthrough. Today it isn't, thus writing
any comments on someone writing yet another SHRDLU is irrelevant to
Winograd.
Consider gliders. Lilienthal built his gliders like around 120 years ago,
it was a major breakthrough then. Today, if someone comes up with a "fresh"
idea of building a "kite" that flies by himself without bond to the ground,
and presents this as a major breakthrough in aviation, one has all rights
to call him a crackpot or anything else. That has nothing to do with Lilienthal
since he did what noone had done before him. Today one can read almost anything
about building a glider in a library, or join aircraft company and build planes.
Even as a hobbyist one can build and fly gliders much better than Lilienthal's
or aircraft more powerful than Wrigth's Flyer.
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>Today we would like to see if the AI
>can ask a who-query rather than a default
>what-query, if the gender of a noun in
>question is known to be masculine or
>feminine. In English, as opposed to
>German or Russian, a non-neuter gender
>indicates that an entity is a "who"
>and not simply a "what".