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Battery Monitoring John O 03-09-2009
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Posted by John O on March 9, 2009, 10:50 am
I was just yakking with an engineer/programmer of some skill, who was
telling me that a simple voltmeter is probably a bad way to measure the
charge remaining on a pair of 12V lead acid batteries. At least, it's not an
accurate way to do it.

And here I was thinking my robot battery gauge project was going to be
simple. :-)

What say you? Can a simple meter do an adequate job of telling me the
relative charge remaining in the batteries? I'm not looking for 65-segment
accuracy...10% increments would be perfect, 20% increments fine, and 25%
increments will work.

-John O



Posted by cassiope on March 9, 2009, 11:01 am
wrote:
> I was just yakking with an engineer/programmer of some skill, who was
> telling me that a simple voltmeter is probably a bad way to measure the
> charge remaining on a pair of 12V lead acid batteries. At least, it's not an
> accurate way to do it.
> And here I was thinking my robot battery gauge project was going to be
> simple. :-)
> What say you? Can a simple meter do an adequate job of telling me the
> relative charge remaining in the batteries? I'm not looking for 65-segment
> accuracy...10% increments would be perfect, 20% increments fine, and 25%
> increments will work.
> -John O

It should work reasonably well for gel cells, particularly if you know
what the
current drain is at the time of measurement. If you don't know the
current
drain (especially if the instantaneous drain might be high), you may
not get
there. It's a pretty straightforward application of Ohm's law - the
terminal
voltages drop by the IR-losses within the batteries.

Hope that helps!
-f

Posted by Si Ballenger on March 9, 2009, 11:20 am
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:45 -0400, "John O"

>I was just yakking with an engineer/programmer of some skill, who was
>telling me that a simple voltmeter is probably a bad way to measure the
>charge remaining on a pair of 12V lead acid batteries. At least, it's not an
>accurate way to do it.
>And here I was thinking my robot battery gauge project was going to be
>simple. :-)
>What say you? Can a simple meter do an adequate job of telling me the
>relative charge remaining in the batteries? I'm not looking for 65-segment
>accuracy...10% increments would be perfect, 20% increments fine, and 25%
>increments will work.
>-John O

You probably need to look at the discharge curves for the battery
you are using. If you don't have a curve, then generate one by
putting the battery under load and measure its output voltage
over time as it discharges.

Posted by John O on March 9, 2009, 11:27 am

> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:45 -0400, "John O"
>>I was just yakking with an engineer/programmer of some skill, who was
>>telling me that a simple voltmeter is probably a bad way to measure the
>>charge remaining on a pair of 12V lead acid batteries. At least, it's not
>>an
>>accurate way to do it.
>>And here I was thinking my robot battery gauge project was going to be
>>simple. :-)
>>What say you? Can a simple meter do an adequate job of telling me the
>>relative charge remaining in the batteries? I'm not looking for 65-segment
>>accuracy...10% increments would be perfect, 20% increments fine, and 25%
>>increments will work.
>>-John O
> You probably need to look at the discharge curves for the battery
> you are using. If you don't have a curve, then generate one by
> putting the battery under load and measure its output voltage
> over time as it discharges.

Yes, I have that curve.



Posted by Dave on March 9, 2009, 2:29 pm
There are commercial testers which work by applying a (modest) known load
and measuring the before and after voltages. I assume they work by looking
at the change in battery voltage after a defined quantity of charge has been
removed ...

Dave

John O wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:50:45 -0400, "John O"
>>> I was just yakking with an engineer/programmer of some skill, who
>>> was telling me that a simple voltmeter is probably a bad way to
>>> measure the charge remaining on a pair of 12V lead acid batteries.
>>> At least, it's not an
>>> accurate way to do it.
>>> And here I was thinking my robot battery gauge project was going to
>>> be simple. :-)
>>> What say you? Can a simple meter do an adequate job of telling me
>>> the relative charge remaining in the batteries? I'm not looking for
>>> 65-segment accuracy...10% increments would be perfect, 20%
>>> increments fine, and 25% increments will work.
>>> -John O
>> You probably need to look at the discharge curves for the battery
>> you are using. If you don't have a curve, then generate one by
>> putting the battery under load and measure its output voltage
>> over time as it discharges.
> Yes, I have that curve.



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